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| Krishnamurti, by Antoine Bourdelle . considered it one of his best works. | |
Hi Marcial,
I write because there is something of Commentaries on Living (1st series) that I can not understand, which is the K makes use of the word "sincerity" ("sincerity"). Seeking meaning in the English dictionary and I get the same as I understand, someone who speaks his mind, or the truth, it is not hypocritical. I do not understand why K makes use of the word, and I think that maybe, at least at the time that he wrote, should have a different meaning in English. Because K is very rare that say, for example, that "can never be simple sincerity, honesty is the brainchild of the will" or "The simplicity and sincerity can never be partners." Well, if you know what to all this, thank you, tell me. I copied all the text below.
Hugs,
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Sincerity can never be simple, sincerity is the creature of the will and the will can not find the details of the "self." The product knowledge is not the will, the self-knowledge comes through the alert perception of responses to the movement of life from moment to moment. Will intercept these spontaneous responses, which is the only thing that reveals the structure of the self. Will is the essence of desire, and to understand the desire, the will is an obstacle. Will in any form, whether of mind or surface deep-seated desires, can never be passive, and it is only passive, in the quiet alert, which can take the truth. The conflict between wishes always, whatever level that desires can be placed. The strengthening of desire as opposed to the other only produces more resistance and this resistance is the will. Understanding can never get through the resistance. The important thing is to understand the desire, not a desire to dominate another.
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| Another study of the head of Krishnamurti By Antoine Bourdelle |
The simplicity and sincerity can never be partners. Which is identified with, at whatever level, may be sincere, but not easy. Will to be is the very antithesis of simplicity. The simplicity comes to freedom from impulse purchasing desire to perform. The realization is identification, and identification is will. Simplicity is the alert and passive perception, in which the experimenter does not record the experience. Self-analysis prevents this negative perception, in the analysis there is always a reason, to be free, understand, gain-and this desire only accentuates the self. Similarly, the findings preclude introspective self-knowledge.
Joan, sincerity is a word that I never use, because at least in Argentina, involves a choice: "I chose not to lie"
is, sincerity is the product of will because you have the option of not being sincere, and thought you choose to be. The other possibility, simplicity, no options. The most notable case is that it can simply lie, as he did himself as Radha K - and I believe him absolutely.
When someone asked why he lied K said (and I believe him) "fear."
These things can not be understood unless one considers the multiplicity of levels that existed in K - and in us. His physical elemental, like everyone, was no more than 7 years of psychological maturity, and I was scared as when she found the bear and her baby, and after the meeting ended in peace and unafraid K "deeper", then the body and the house began to shake violently.
Then K was afraid in the sense that its elemental was afraid, but not their deeper parts. And had to eat, etc, remained elementary K a basic, extremely subtilized by 5000 years of genetic mixtures directed (as the Theosophists) but still a human body with all that that implies.
Thus, in its simplicity, the elementary K might be afraid of the consequences of telling some truths in this "insane asylum" - as defined by the world ever. Then, he preferred peace lies without consequences.
So we have the simplicity, spontaneity, in which everything you do is good, and not simply derived from the action of thought, will do everything wrong, even choosing to always tell the truth .
Wow, I wrote a jerk! And I cleared myself about it. Thanks!
you served? Hugs
Pd:
is, sincerity is the product of will because you have the option of not being sincere, and thought you choose to be. The other possibility, simplicity, no options. The most notable case is that it can simply lie, as he did himself as Radha K - and I believe him absolutely.
When someone asked why he lied K said (and I believe him) "fear."
These things can not be understood unless one considers the multiplicity of levels that existed in K - and in us. His physical elemental, like everyone, was no more than 7 years of psychological maturity, and I was scared as when she found the bear and her baby, and after the meeting ended in peace and unafraid K "deeper", then the body and the house began to shake violently.
Then K was afraid in the sense that its elemental was afraid, but not their deeper parts. And had to eat, etc, remained elementary K a basic, extremely subtilized by 5000 years of genetic mixtures directed (as the Theosophists) but still a human body with all that that implies.
Thus, in its simplicity, the elementary K might be afraid of the consequences of telling some truths in this "insane asylum" - as defined by the world ever. Then, he preferred peace lies without consequences.
So we have the simplicity, spontaneity, in which everything you do is good, and not simply derived from the action of thought, will do everything wrong, even choosing to always tell the truth .
Wow, I wrote a jerk! And I cleared myself about it. Thanks!
you served? Hugs
Pd:
course, is what I think about it now. I feel so, but you might be talking about the mind of Mao Tse Tung instead of K, so mysterious and profound as it is ... aclararte wanted to reread this because I noticed a message absolutist tonito not sorry for anything.
K for me is a mystery whose greatness we can only glimpse. And I think in this I am quite rightly;)
Hugs
Marcial, thank you very much for your quick and extensive reply, it seems very clear what you say. Probably the confusion comes because I usually say what I think (if not I do not say anything, but I never say the opposite of what I think) and I think K also did, what to say what they think, or say things like saw. If there is sincerity, as I understand, there is hypocrisy. For this reason I can not understand these words of K and I figured he was referring to another different meaning.
Also, given your explanation, I still do not really understand why he says things like "This desire to be one with the chosen object brings the conflict of sincerity, which is a complete absence of simplicity. "it seems that the word" sincerity "has much to do with identification. And this as I see it, it would be something other than the fact of choosing (thought) whether or not that the truth. It's more like the word "sincerity" K is referring to something else. But perhaps the meaning you give me ...
I found it very interesting how the 5,000 years of genetic mixtures led, I could tell where I can find this information?
I think it's good that you've posted on your blog. To see if there are comments.
Thanks for everything!
Hugs
In one of the biographies (I think Pupul) said that the body was prepared and that their ancestors did not eat even egg over 5000 years, which makes me think that this time (2500 years before Buddha!) is possible at these levels incomprehensible intelligence.
Note that one of the keys to determining intelligence tests in some regards to value the future rather than the immediate present. For example, if given a choice to a group of kids 1 chocolate 2 chocolates now or within a week, higher IQ tend to choose the latter option, lower IQ and immediate gratification.
This gives a relationship between intelligence and long-term programming. Less intelligent people can become unable to schedule or the next half hour, while the stately pace of the Avatars is a rate of thousands of years.
is natural to think that the body of K was prepared with thousands of years in advance, like the Buddha or Christ, who was breeding for his tribe wandering in the desert, Babylon, etc etc. As K said Mary Zimbalist, "The future is more or less predetermined, giving another blow to the very human pride "to decide our destiny" when it is decided long ago - and by "others", jajaj!
And very probably also Avatar follows the body is already forming for some time, probably through attractions that young Uranian feel as natural or spontaneous - and surely will be, but guided by the hands and minds that we are moving unimaginable without us even suspect.
Uranian When I see a very beautiful, sensitive and intelligent, they invariably think maybe be carriers of a pair of genes for "so come."
I did a search on the data of the body prepared for many years before the birth of K, said that for the same K, but have not found it. To see if the secret agent has more luck!
Hugs (and this also goes to the blog, with your permission)
Note that one of the keys to determining intelligence tests in some regards to value the future rather than the immediate present. For example, if given a choice to a group of kids 1 chocolate 2 chocolates now or within a week, higher IQ tend to choose the latter option, lower IQ and immediate gratification.
This gives a relationship between intelligence and long-term programming. Less intelligent people can become unable to schedule or the next half hour, while the stately pace of the Avatars is a rate of thousands of years.
is natural to think that the body of K was prepared with thousands of years in advance, like the Buddha or Christ, who was breeding for his tribe wandering in the desert, Babylon, etc etc. As K said Mary Zimbalist, "The future is more or less predetermined, giving another blow to the very human pride "to decide our destiny" when it is decided long ago - and by "others", jajaj!
And very probably also Avatar follows the body is already forming for some time, probably through attractions that young Uranian feel as natural or spontaneous - and surely will be, but guided by the hands and minds that we are moving unimaginable without us even suspect.
Uranian When I see a very beautiful, sensitive and intelligent, they invariably think maybe be carriers of a pair of genes for "so come."
I did a search on the data of the body prepared for many years before the birth of K, said that for the same K, but have not found it. To see if the secret agent has more luck!
Hugs (and this also goes to the blog, with your permission)
Marcial, you mean the text of the brief biography of Mary Lutyens?
twenty-three K gave talks in India during the winter and held countless discussions of the group: it is not surprising, then, was exhausted when he arrived in Rome in mid-March and was received there by Vanda Scaravelli. The next day, K was taken ill with fever. In this state "itself is left," as he used to do during 'the process. " Vanda recorded in writing what he said be was left in charge of the body. But is was not the voice of a child he spoke, his voice sounded completely natural:
not leave me. He has gone far, far away. You have been told to look after him. He should not have gone. You should tell him. During the meal is half crazy. You must tell at a glance, so that other people do not see it, and he will understand. Beautiful face at him. These tabs are useless for a man. Why not take you? That face has been carefully crafted. They have worked and worked for so long, so many centuries, to produce such a body. Did you know? You can not know. How can you know the water flowing? Just listen. Do not ask questions. He must love you if you let him get so close. He is careful not to allow others to touch your body. You know how it is, you do not want anything to happen. Do not do anything extravagant. All this travel has been too much for him. And those people on the plane, smoking, and that be packing all the time, come and go, has been too much for the body. He wanted to get to Rome by the lady [Vanda]. Do you know? That is why she wanted to get there quickly. He suffers if it is not right. All those trips ... no, I'm not complaining. You see how pure it. Not allowed anything to himself. All this time the body has been on the brink of a precipice. I have argued, I have watched intensely all these months, and if released he will go very far. The death is near. I told him it was too. When he is in these airports are all alone. Not quite there. All that poverty in India, and that people die. Terrible. This body would have died if they had not found. And that dirt everywhere. He is so clean, your body is kept clean. He washes it with great application. This morning he wanted to connect something. Do not interrupt. He must love you. Tell it, take a pencil and say: Death is always there, is very close, to protect you. And when you take cover on it, you die.
Perhaps this is not because it says nothing about 5,000 years. But it is the only text I remember that references to "production" of the body of K. And I will clarify.
The truth is I do not know how to interpret this text, refers exclusively to the body K, or what "they" had been achieved so far in the human body's genetic, but which manifested itself or be manifested in many other bodies.
Hugs!
Joan
Yes Joan, but elsewhere says something like "as Amma (Besant) this face / body was prepared for ..."
of 5000 years What I Said deducting the history and culture of the Indus Valley, which was where he started the mysticism of India. It is very interesting ... spent part on the banks of another river that is no longer, and has many peculiarities ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indus_Valley_Civilization )
I do not think that the separation of that group of people has been accidental, considering that after that line to generate genetic and cultural 3 of the 4 Buddhas we know (I'm integrating Nagarjuna group)
As said K. .. "The future is more or less predetermined."
That plus plenty of other considerations, "coincidences" both historical and astrological, is what makes me think that the whole saga Buddha - Nagarjuna - Krishnamurti - next Avatar was and is very well planned from those 5000 years - or God knows since when! - By minds unimaginable to us. To think otherwise, it was not and it was all a bit casual, I cause a feeling of ... "Missing something" or "did not close" as we say in Argentina.
I think the body of K may have been "planned" less time on details, but I think it was "in the plans" in some way when he began to take shape India as "all stahl stahl (Rishi Valley, but well ....)
I have this strong feeling of being in the hands of tremendous intelligence of which we can only suspect its depths.
Hugs
Click to enlarge this stunning photo of the Indus Valley at the top. The greatness of these landscapes appears to be related with the strong spirituality of the area.
Hi Marcial,
I see you've updated your blog entry on this conversation, or rather of the questions and answers we are exchanging. Now I'll have to watch what I write, and then I might post it! (Just kidding.) Well, I have done little to add, but as always I your comments seem interesting. I wonder where is this passage but does not sound. I tend to recall several passages of books on K or K that caught my attention when reading, but this is not one of them. But look for ...
Well, thank you very much for your clarifications and explanations, of course I also feel that there is a big intelligence behind everything we know, and I do not know, which, perhaps, we can only guess the depth.
Hugs,
Joan
Joan, see if pulling the tip of the iceberg there is something:
The thing is to generate a face like K through genetics can not be a matter of a few generations. Moreover if we consider that not just the face that must be generated, but the entire body with its physical characteristics and energy, with all that means. Whereas a generation on average is counted as 30 years ... it is logical that such mixtures were carried out - as K said - for centuries by "them."
exactly how many centuries?
My speculations point to the moment that the tribe of herders who would later origin to India was separated from the rest of the Aryan tribes and began their migration to the most sacred places on Earth. And the same feel with the biblical saga. A few, an apparently accidental ... and lo and behold: habemus Buddham!
... and yes, of course, beware of what you write;)
Hugs
Krishnamurti and Nityananda in the morning after the First Initiation, which occurred on January 11, 1910 impressive astrological circumstances, they do wonder at the accuracy of the forecasts were inconceivable minds with every detail of life and how the Avatar, who, somehow, was one with his brother. These things are facts, facts that must not serve to convince others about the sanctity of such lives, but to glimpse how is this wonderful and mysterious universe, and how much we need to know about him yet.
Nature is Sacred 
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